A thought leader on educational justice, Dr. David Kirkland (NYU) joins us for a meta discussion around school integration. He shares a powerful vision of integration from a racial justice framework; it is one that is grounded in democratic participation and the sharing of resources and one that involves us all in the deliberation of what counts as knowledge, the language of curriculum, and the fundamental design of education. Dr. Kirkland also encourages us to consider that integration is about fundamentally asking if we can organize our society in a different way, where our differences are seen as spaces that we not only celebrate but LET BE, where this forms the vibrancy of our being as a society. He gives us language to think with, hope and, yes, he gives us homework, too.

**Our Homework:**

Gloria Ladson-Billings on moving from “gap” to “debt”
Dr. Lewis Gordon
Brown v. Board of Education (1954) and Brown v. Board of Education II (1955)
Milliken v. Bradley (1974)
– Richard Rothstein Color of Law: A Forgotten History of How our Government Segregated America
Vanessa Siddle Walker on the history of segregation
Nikole Hannah Jones
– Michelle Alexander The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness
– Mark Lamont Hill Nobody: Casualties of America’s War on the Vulnerable, From Ferguson to Flint and Beyond
– Bryan Stevenson Just Mercy: A Story of Justice and Redemption
– Ta-Nehisi Coates We Were 8 Years in Power and Between the World and Me

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The Integrated Schools Podcast is produced by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits. Audio editing and mixing by Andrew Lefkowits. Music by Kevin Casey.