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S7E1 – New Season, New Perspectives . . . New Co-host!!September 22, 2021
We kick off Season 7 with some big changes for the podcast! Val, a Black mom from North Carolina, joins Andrew to co-host this season. We discuss why she cares about school integration, and what we hope to accomplish through our multiracial discussions.
S6 BONUS – Learning In Public with Courtney MartinAugust 4, 2021
Mother, journalist, and author Courtney Martin’s new book, Learning in Public, is at once a deeply personal memoir of the “journey of a thousand moral miles” that led her to enroll her daughter in their neighborhood “failing” school, as well as a full-hearted endorsement of public schools as the foundation of our fragile democracy, in all of their nuance and complexity. She joins us to discuss the book, and integration more broadly, with one of the key characters in the book, Mrs. Minor, a Black teacher who left the public schools to start her own private preschool, and brings a healthy degree of skepticism of the value of desegregation.
S6E13 – Reckoning With Plessy: 125 Years of Separate But EqualMay 26, 2021
In our season 6 finale, we’re looking back at the infamous “separate but equal” case – Plessy v Ferguson, and how we continue to live with many of the ramifications of that decision today. Attorney Paula Forbes joins us to discuss the importance of reckoning with our past and repairing in order to create the future we desire.
S6E11 – [email protected] – David Hinojosa RevisitedMay 13, 2021
Part 4 of our Brown v Board at 67 series pushes back on the narrative that desegregation is solely about Black and White kids. David Hinojosa helps us better understand Latinx perspectives on integration from before Brown through today.
S6E9 – [email protected] – Noliwe Rooks RevisitedMay 11, 2021
Today we revisit Part two of Brown v. Board at 65: The Stories We Tell Ourselves, featuring Dr. Noliwe Rooks. She helps us tell the full story of Brown v Board, including the harm it caused, particularly as it relates to Black teachers and Black schools.
S6E8 – [email protected] – Rucker Johnson RevisitedMay 10, 2021
Brown v Board at Sixty-Seven – The Stories We Tell Ourselves – Revisted. All this week we will be re-running our [email protected] series with new edits and new commentary. In this first episode, we’re joined by Dr. Rucker Johnson, author of Children of the Dream: Why Integration Works.
S6E7 – Better Schools Through Parent EmpowermentApril 28, 2021
Parents and caregivers have the potential to be key drivers of school improvement. However, who makes up that empowered group is a key question. Aurelio Montemayor has been organizing parents for decades, and he joins us to share his experience and advice.
S6E5 Zero-Sum Politics: Heather McGhee on How Racism Hurts Us AllMarch 31, 2021
The conversation around schools can often feel like the goal isn’t “good” schools, but simply “better-than” schools – schools that will give our kids a leg up on the other kids. The idea driving this mindset, a zero-sum version of prosperity that assumes advances for some must come at the cost of others, is based on the lie of racial hierarchy upon which our country was founded. Heather McGhee’s new book, The Sum of Us, illuminates this issue, and calls us to imagine something better.
S6E4 – In Full View of Race: Elise Boddie on IntegrationMarch 17, 2021
Law professor, Elise Boddie, has said that the biggest stumbling block to advancing school integration is the White progressive liberal. She joins us to talk about a vision of integration that allows for all kids to thrive not because of race, not in spite of race, but in full view of race.
S6E3 – The Power of Privilege: WPLN’s The PromiseMarch 3, 2021
We’re joined by WPLN reporter Meribah Knight to dicuss her podcast, The Promise, which looks at the power that those with racial or economic privilege bring to the education system, and what responsibilities should come with that power.
S6E2 – EPIC’s “Nothing About Us”: Youth Theater on IntegrationFebruary 17, 2021
Theater has the power of individual transformation. Students are the ones most impacted by our segergated schools. EPIC Theatre Ensemble seeks to combine those two forces to change hearts and minds. We’re thrilled to share some of their piece, Nothing About Us, as well as a conversation with EPIC’s artistic director, and two students who wrote and performed in the piece.
S6E1 – Third Wave School Desegregation: A Call for Real IntegrationFebruary 3, 2021
Kicking off season 6 with a call for Third Wave school desegregation. First wave, “court ordered” desegregation, and second wave, “entice the White folks”, failed to live up to their promises. What would a third wave look like, and how might it work better. We are joined by IntegrateNYC to talk about real integration. This episode is taken from a webinar from the Black Educator’s Initiative speaker series.
S5E22 – Family Engagement and EquityOctober 7, 2020
For decades, the dominant model of parent or caregiver involvement in schools has been one that emphasizes a set of normative, White, middle-class behaviors. What would it look like to transform power through solidarity, in order to improve our schools for ALL kids?s
S5E21 – Congressman Bobby Scott on Strength in DiversitySeptember 30, 2020
For 30 years congress has ignored the resegregation of our nations schools. On Sept 15th, the House passed the Strength in Diversity Act, which is a step towards addressing segregation. We’re joined by one of the sponsors of the bill, and Chairman of the Committee on Education and Labor to discuss.
S5E20 – Equity According to Angela Glover-BlackwellSeptember 16, 2020
For many years, the focus of the fight for justice centered on equality. Angela Glover Blackwell was instrumental in shifting our national focus towards equity. She joins us to discuss the need for an equity mindset not just in our schools, but in our country.
S5E19 – ICYMI: School ColorsSeptember 2, 2020
School Colors is a narrative podcast from Brooklyn Deep about how race, class, and power shape American cities and schools. We’re joined by the hosts to discuss the series, and to hear the 7th episode, New Kids on The Block. From gentrification, to school segregation, to colonization, this episode touches on many of the themes we discuss at Integrated Schools.
S5E18 – Checklists and Merit Badges: JPB Gerald on WhitenessAugust 19, 2020
As a Black man who grew up in predominantly White spaces, going to the “best” schools, JPB Gerald brings a unique perspective on Whiteness. We talk about meritocracy, how individual choices make up “THE SYSTEM”, self interest as a justification for racism, and what people can do to push back on all of this now, in the midst of a pandemic, but also after.
S5E17 – Reopening Schools and EquityAugust 5, 2020
As we barrel into the new school year, keeping equity in focus is difficult. From childcare collectives to pandemic pods, the options facing privileged parents can feel overwhelming. Dr. Shayla Reese Griffin helps us center equity as we consider the fall, and asks us to consider what our obligations are to our public institutions and to each other.
S5E16 – Revisiting Not In My Suburbs: Milliken v Bradley @46July 22, 2020
We revisit our episode on Milliken v Bradley from a year ago. Joined by Michelle Adams, Constitutional Law Professor at Cardozo School of Law, who is writing a book on Milliken v Bradley, we discuss the case that functionally halted the promise of Brown v Board at the city limits, allowing all-White suburbs (created through policies like redlining) to maintain all-White schools.
S5E14 – White Supremacy and Black Educational ExcellenceJune 10, 2020
The stories we tell about past efforts at desegregation often overlook the excellence in Black schools prior to Brown v. Board, and the organized, grassroots work from White women to maintain White superiority at the local level despite federal efforts towards desegregation. In an edited version of the NCSD 2020 Conference Keynote, we hear from Dr. Vanessa Siddle- Walker and Dr. Elizabeth McRea, in a conversation facilitated by Dani McClain. In opening remarks from Courtney Martin, and closing remarks from Andrew Lefkowits, we are asked to conjure the late Integrated Schools founder, Courtney Everts Mykytyn, and to reflect on her impact on the integration movement.
S5E13 – Raising White Kids with Jennifer HarveyMay 21, 2020
What is a healthy racial identity for a White person, and how do we help our White children develop one? We’re joined by Dr. Jennifer Harvey to discuss her book, Raising White Kids: Bringing Up Children in a Racially Unjust America, as well her personal journey towards anti-racist organizing, educating, and child rearing.
S5E12 – COVID-19: Matt Gonzales on EquityMay 13, 2020
We’re joined by Matt Gonzales, the founder and director of the Integration and Innovation Initiative at the NYU Metro Center to discuss what equity looks like in the midst of this crisis, and how we can leverage community, relationships, and vulnerability to improve our educational system on the other side.
S5E11 – COVID-19: Teacher Check-InApril 22, 2020
We’re joined by two teachers, Zoe Rooney and Kara Cisco, who are grappling with what remote learning means for students already facing educational inequities. As we all have to balance and juggle and re-prioritize due to circumstances outside our control can we learn to have greater empathy for the families who have always had to cope with so many factors outside their control? And can we translate that lesson into a will to make systemic changes when our children return to their classrooms?
S5E10 – COVID-19: Finding Community in IsolationApril 3, 2020
We find ourselves in the most segregated school environment imaginable – quarantined at home. The inequities are glaring and the needs of our communities are all too real. We discuss making this time at home reflective of our values with Garrett Bucks – an anti-racist organizer, writer, and father of two.
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