On the 72nd anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education, Andrew and Dr. Val talk with Cecilia Marshall, granddaughter of Justice Thurgood Marshall and founder of the Thurgood Marshall Foundation. Together, they reflect on the families behind Brown, the sacrifices made in the fight for educational justice, and why public schools remain essential to democracy.
Ms. Marshall shares personal stories about knowing Thurgood Marshall simply as “Grandpa,” the responsibility of preserving his legacy, and her vision for a traveling museum bringing civil rights and civics education to communities across the country.
This conversation explores collective responsibility, the power of diverse public schools, and what it means to keep building bridges in a deeply divided moment.

What if accountability didn’t require public shaming? MacArthur “Genius” Dr. Loretta Ross joins us to talk about the power of “calling in”—a practice rooted in love, curiosity, and connection. From her personal journey through trauma and healing to her decades of justice work, Dr. Ross shows us how we can hold each other accountable without breaking our communities. A timely, necessary conversation about parenting, privilege, public schools, and the power of showing up as our best selves.

We’re going back to the archives to revisit a conversation with Heather McGhee. Her book, The Sum of Us, called attention to the idea of “solidarity dividends”, the gains that are made when people come together across race to fight for justice. She joins us to talk about her new podcast, also called The Sum of Us, which features a different story of cross racial solidarity in each episode.