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In 1954, the Supreme Court declared that separate but equal has no place in our public schools. Yet more than six decades later, our schools remain deeply segregated—by race and by class. What happened?
To mark the 65th anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education, we created a special podcast series exploring the legacy of that landmark decision. Across five episodes, we dive into what Brown promised, what it delivered, and what it failed to. We talk to scholars, parents, and advocates—people who are living the long shadow of Brown, and who are dreaming into its unfinished work.
This series is both a history lesson and a call to action. Because understanding where we’ve been helps illuminate the choices we face now.
Rucker Johnson and the Grandchildren of Desegregation
Part 1: Rucker Johnson and the Grandchildren of Desegregation
Rucker Johnson and the Grandchildren of Desegregation
Economist and author Rucker Johnson shares what the data tell us about school integration—how it impacted not just the first generation of students, but their children and grandchildren. Spoiler: integration worked. The question is whether we have the courage to pursue it.
Segrenomics, Black Teachers, and Noliwe Rooks
Part 2: Segrenomics, Black Teachers, and Noliwe Rooks
Segrenomics, Black Teachers, and Noliwe Rooks
Scholar Noliwe Rooks introduces us to “segrenomics”—the profit made off keeping schools separate and unequal—and explores how desegregation often came at the expense of Black educators and communities.
Amanda Lewis on Desegregation Without Integration
Part 3: Amanda Lewis on Desegregation Without Integration
Amanda Lewis on Desegregation Without Integration
Sociologist Amanda Lewis helps us understand the difference between desegregation (a legal mandate) and integration (a lived experience)—and why confusing the two has left so much of Brown’s promise unfulfilled.
Beyond Black and White with David Hinojosa
Part 4: Beyond Black and White with David Hinojosa
Beyond Black and White with David Hinojosa
Civil rights attorney David Hinojosa challenges the narrow framing of desegregation as a Black/White issue. He brings a critical lens to how Latino students have been overlooked in integration narratives, and reminds us why an inclusive, multiracial approach is essential to equity.
I Hope They Hear It in Our Voices
Part 5: I Hope They Hear It in Our Voices
I Hope They Hear It in Our Voices
In this final episode, we hear directly from those most impacted—parents reflecting on what Brown means in their lives today. Their voices carry grief, hope, and resolve as they wrestle with the gap between the promise of desegregation and its reality. It’s a powerful reminder that the story of Brown isn’t over—and that our voices still matter in shaping what comes next.


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